A study in the Nature of God, man and the universe2

A study into the nature of God, man and His universe. Part2.

First this is what a Brother quoted to me as his belief and conviction as to what God does. You said and I quote: ” Tony you must realize that paradoxically, God buries Himself and us in Him, in the soil of contradiction, and as a seed draws from the soil in order to sprout and bring forth its fruit, so God draws from elements contradictory to all that He is that by which He causes Himself to fulfill His divine potential. He makes the contradictory to serve that purpose by presenting Himself.

With that which He must overcome, and in that challenge He reaches down, as it were, into His own depths in order to prevail. He has not, and does not do that alone. In Him, we have been subjected to all to which He subjects Himself. If it's been your understanding that God stood aloof from the futility to which He subjected all creation. You are wrong Tony, He did it by subjecting Himself and thus the creation, which is in Him to bring out His own potential. Unquote:

We can now see from the above belief in a God that has identified with evil as some form of evil reality as being part of God's nature is what I see as the basic error of religion. God in His pure Consciousness did not ordain evil or error as any form, and regardless of whatever God concept we have in our ignorance of truth is but an imagination of the Un-conscious Adam. What we experienced as fear in Adam is made in our own image and likeness and death is the result. Fear is but a projected image of human reason. I do not believe that God subjected us to futility, as futility is an invention of man, not of God.

Below are Scriptures denoting Cosmic Law as God in His True Nature thinks no evil thought toward us.

Jeremiah 29:10-13 (KJV)
For thus saith the Lord, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place. [11] For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. [12] Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. [13] And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Psalm 99:8 (KJV)

Thou answers them, O Lord our God: thou wast a God that forgave them, though thou took vengeance on their inventions. (cause and effect)

Psalm--106:29(KJV)
Thus they provoked him to anger with their inventions: and the plague brake in upon them. the results of a sense of guilt and fear of judgement, this was not Love judging mankind, it was the outworking of their own sinconsiousness as the wages of sin is death..

John 5:22-26 (KJV)
For the Father judges no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: [23] That all men should honor the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honors not the Father which hath sent him. [24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. [25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. [26] For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Psalm-106:39(KJV)
Thus were they defiled with their own works, and went a whoring with their own inventions.

Proverbs-8:12(KJV)
I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.

Eccles. 7:29 (KJV)
Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

However, it was because of Adam, who in his disobedience to the inner Christ, lowered all into vanity by his fear in death. In contrast to what Adam did, our merciful Father lowered Him--Self in the form of Jesus, destroying the error of a separate self from the life of God and in dying as the last mistaken I--dentity, redeemed us from the curse of this Law god. That is what I feel is the Truth of God's Nature. I do not believe what is presented to us in ultimate reconciliation is the truth. Reconciliation was complete when Jesus said is is finished and regardless of the appearance of evil that sometimes works in our human emotions, I am the complete reconciled offspring of the living God.

2 Cor. 5:14-19 (KJV)
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: [15] And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. [16] Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. [17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; [19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Ephes. 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. [9] (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? [10] He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

This law concept of a God who knows error, evil and is even the author of it, for some reason is but a facsimile, an idol of reason. In other words, this concept of God dealing with humankind does not exist in God. The mere fact that you can embrace it in your thought, proves its error, this cannot be God. Do you hear? Who by thinking can know, name, visualize God, or know God’s Mind? Therefore, you see beloved, the most important subject in all of our life is this;

We cannot have God as a concept, for then we have but a man created image of God.

This is but an idea out of which have come all the religious persuasions we see in the world today. Some of them are fanatic as we see it in terrorism and its counter offence in the form of democracy as we see it in the evangelical idea of Christianity today. This then accounts for the fact that the harder you pray to this God of good and evil, which god you have formed in your mind in the first place, the more barren you will become and the more we get terror coming to our dwelling place. The more you rely on this god to protect or save you when you need help the more you will find out that this god is powerless and deaf to what you pray to it, the sooner you will collapse. You see my beloved; you do not have God, you only have an idol of the human mind. In our ignorance as to what God is we only have an image in thought that we pray too and that cannot help us. Now let us come a little closer. “Who or what am I, what is my nature and name and how do I fit in the whole scheme of things”

Who is Tony den Hartog? Do I know my—self as God our Father knows me or do I just have another mind formed concept as to who and what I am formed by my past teachings? It is no use answering this question because your answer cannot be correct. I can prove this to you by having my wife answer this and then ask a couple of other people who do not like me answer this and you will see that none is the same. Now see if we can to some agreement as to whom and what I am and you will find out that you cannot do this. So you in this search for my true identity you will find that regardless of what form of opinion you come to, you are merely projecting your own cultural myth that you have learned in this parenthesis. This myth is something working in you as a false sense of "I"----dentity with the UN—conscious past. Do you hear this? Now you can discover by feeling the essence of this message that in the next five minutes you do no longer know me 'Tony' as a human; in silence you recognize Christ as my true Self! You do not even know who and what you are in truth if we continue in the tree of genealogy, thinking we are born of a woman. So keep on listening to the Father in silence. Open your heart to hearing the within of your own being. Christ is the substance and nature of all life, which we do not yet know as the true “I” the only true Self, if we continue to live in the myth of a separate selfhood from the living Presence. For many years, we have entertained beliefs and concepts of life, which are constantly changing as time goes by, so we know that this is not our true self as Christ, which is our true life, for Christ our true Self never changes.

Col. 3:1-4 (KJV)

If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. [2] Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. [3] For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. [4] When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

Our human feeling of life is transitionary, it is very misleading; therefore we all must be lifted into the realm and atmosphere of the New Heaven, where we shall know our Self the way we are known of God. Remember, our humanity gives us a strong sense of personal sense life in which we try to hold on to our ego as long as we can. This is because we think this to be our Identity. However, it is not the true Self. The ego controls us and we are trying to promote it as our true self and that is error, there is no such self. So let us go on to die to our false Identity, for in Adam, all die, but in Christ, all shall be made alive. What ever your thought is about me, yourself or other is our own prejudice. Because it is but our own concepts or what someone else has told us what you are that it confuses us. The ego is not what God ordained in the beginning, it is all the flesh, do you hear? All these beliefs are subject to change. In an instant, the mood or feeling about one’s self changes and our behavior turns ugly. The very one’s that said to Jesus:” 'O' Lord, Lord where shall we go from you, you have the Words of eternal Life”, are the very ones that ran away, while Jesus was being crucified. In other words, it was because of their own traditional Hebrew upbringing that they did not know who Jesus was in His True Identity as the Son of God. They all cried:” Crucify Him”

Only Peter recognized Jesus as He saw the real Son of God and said: “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God”. Jesus answered and said unto him; “Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

Jesus said to His persecutors; “For which of these things do you crucify or stone Me? Is it because I healed your sick, or perhaps because I said:”Before Abraham was ‘I AM’?”

Do you know Jesus the Christ as the substance of your own Life? Do you know that Christ, not Adam is your true Image, begotten of the Father?

Meditate on this for a minute. ------------------------------------------sssh

Now in silence you will see Light dawning in your awareness, now you will get to know yourself the way Peter saw Jesus, you are the Christ of God in true re—cognition, it is wonderful!

So you see the average Christian has not yet known or seen the true Self of God. Because of the veil of ignorance, the inner Christ cannot be experienced. By seeing he Lamb of God in silent listening it takes away the sin of the world, the Will of the Father is done. Now there is an awakening and all shall eventually see it face to face.

As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness. Ps.15.

Christianity as a whole has an image in thought as to what God IS. As we have discussed before they are all facsimiles, idols of the UN—conscious. This is the flesh and blood realm of Gen 2&3. In other words, all human thought is the dust realm of the ego; it has no ordination, it was not God’s idea at all!

Isaiah 55:8-13 (KJV)

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. [9] For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. [10] For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: [11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. [12] For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. [13] Instead of the thorn shall come up the fir tree, and instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree: and it shall be to the Lord for a name, for an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.

Yes, they all saw Jesus as Savior—as the man. But Jesus took the wind out of their sails by saying: “Why do you call me good, only God which is the Father or Christ of all who is in me, that is doing the healing and the saving. I of myself as a Hebrew born man of a woman can do nothing for you. Do you hear?

As long as we know Jesus or for that matter each other after our physical birth and have a mental concept of life we are in error and we will die in our mis—taken I—dentity. If you would know me the way I am known, you would also have to discard everything what you now believe about me as a man. What you can know with your senses is not what I am. You must abandon every thing you have been taught by your parents, teachers that you have heared in your upbringing as a human. In Christ, you must also let go of everyone’s opinion and begin to listen to what you will hear within. You must get rid of all knowledge as to what you think the nature of things are which includes your feelings and knowledge you have of your parents, for God our Father is the only parent. God, children and everything else derived from the five sense gates is error, including your family tree. All this is but a delusion of carnal mind values, which has led man into total alienation from his or her true Self. Let us therefore clear out our vessels of all these facsimiles. Remember the words of Jesus; “you cannot fill a vessel already full with erroneous religious beliefs”.

You own thoughts will deceive you to believe that you are a material child, formed in your mother’s womb and that is a strong emotional attachment that must be cast down.

Meditation.

Sit down, relax, be still, incline your ear and say; “Speak Lord, reveal your –Self to Me, let me know who and what you are. Show me who I am in relation to you my Father, who has begotten me in Spirit and Truth. Lead me out of the darkness of human judgments for they have bound me to three score and ten years. Show your—Self to me, let me drink of the rivers of Life that are already inherent within me, show me how to connect to your Life stream.”

In your meditation, you have to learn to shut out every opinion you have ever heard, casting down every high image that exalts it self in your mind set to be true, because all we know is but a lie in the first place. Do you hear? These inner convictions for a long time have pleased your human sense of life. These mind form concepts of life has given you a form of security, thinking that this was OK!

They are not your security, do you hear?

Do not forget, what pleases you in your beliefs yesterday may not please somebody else and they will react violently to what you say, or think. If you could erase from your thought everything that you know about Tony, read about me, every thing else what you yourself have formed about me and you now must be willing to get to know me the way I am known of God. Will you do this now?

Show me this man, what is his name, what is his nature?

You will find that by turning within with a listening ear, the truth as to who and what I am, will be revealed to you. Many have been healed over the years by just re—cognizing my Gen1-substance which is Christ, the Image of God. However, remember, flesh and blood cannot reveal this to you. Only the Spirit of Truth can show you the true nature of God and Man, it is wonderful!

This revelation then is Me, being born in you immaculately and if you can see all this way, peace and goodwill to all is the result. You now know Me, and all in this light aright, for all are baptized by one spirit into this only begotten of God. Let us go back to God, and you will see in these moments how much you have accepted Me, and God as One Being. Do not forget, God and Man are One in pure re-cognition. There is no other God form. Do you feel this surging through your heart; can you recognize your True Self at this moment? Did you know that My Father and you and I are baptized into One Body which is the fullness of Him which fills all in all? We are One in pure re-cognition. We are not one in our human Identity, for our human Identity is the Phantom man without any nature or substance. In my humanity, I am but nothing trying to be something, for this cannot be done, I am already complete. We must be dying daily to our previous identity as the flesh man Adam.

Romans 6:5-8 (KJV)

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: [6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. [7] For he that is dead is freed from sin. [8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

In this, you will find that all those of your family and friends who you like and have in some way pleased you over the years of your existence here on earth as a human being, are now seen in a new light. However, when you have been born again of the incorruptible Word of God, your whole being has been purged of the old fashion of expression in which the ego self was predominant, your friends and family may not like you any more. All of which is sufficient to show to us that we are accepting each other not as we truly are. However, usually by the concept we entertain about each other which concepts are formed by whether or not we have pleased or displeased you we get estranged. You know how that is in politics and religions today. This prime minister or president is a hero one year and a villain or devil next year. These feelings are all based on behavior and presentations of what he thinks is good for the community. These judgments are depending on where you went for your information.

Could we be heroes and devils at the same time? No! These observations are not truth about the men’s individuality. These are mind formed concepts of man, which we have derived from the 5 senses. In other words, these concepts of life generated out of the tree of knowledge, causing untold conflict. These are not the Tree of Life where only harmony is known. Now some of you who are just beginning to hear this revelation may not believe this principle of total harmony. Those of you who are still in orthodox religious thinking cannot yet feel this to be right or true, but if you are willing to stay with it long enough you will eventually hear the Word thunder in your heart and all the earth of human thought taking will dissolve.

It will be wonderful when this happens to all those who identify as Kingdom teachers and preachers and as much is given, much is also required. As the Scripture tells us; “All the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of His Glory as the waters cover the sea”

The Church as we know it today still lives and worships a God created by the thoughts they entertain, resulting in un-certainty as to who they are and most of all they don’t know the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ as yet, so a lot has to be learned before peace will come to this planet earth.

Instead of listening to all the religious rhetoric what is preached from the pulpit and the voices of the flesh, they must now go into the silence of meditation where the Voice of the Ascended Jesus is heard and freedom from fear comes instantly. By listing to the inner Voice of the ‘I AM’, we create an atmosphere where nothing can enter in that defiles or make a lie.

There shall be no hurt or death in all my Holy Mountain .

It is wonderful, can you say amen?

You can therefore not know truth by and through the human mind. All human thoughts are sense impressions, void of power. These impressions of the carnal mind are dead to the guiding principle of Christ.

Romans 6:5-8 (KJV) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: [6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. [7] For he that is dead is freed from sin. [8] Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

These thoughts walk in the shadow of death without a Sheppard, there is no life in them. It is sad, but it is true never the less. The natural man is not under the Law of God neither can he be, that is why we all must be born again to be able to hear and follow Jesus in the new generation. So when you look at man or woman you gain a lot of sense impressions and our divorce courts testify how badly fooled we can all be by these sense impressions. They make us so marvelously happy today with our partner and so miserably sad the next day. Now the world what you see hear taste or touch and smell is the world that Jesus overcame and exposed as false. What Jesus overcame was not really a world, it is a world of sense impressions, is a world that senses images, formed by what we see, taste, touch and smell.

This world is all but an illusion, a generation of a viper. Can you hear?

John 18:36-37 (KJV) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. [37] Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Therefore, it is that this second world of Gen2, the world of a man created out of dust and a woman formed out of a man’s rib, and children created out of sperm and egg is all but error.

James 1:16-18 (KJV) Do not err, my beloved brethren. [17] Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. [18] Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

This is not a real world, this is the Adam dream in a selfhood separate from the Living God. This world, made out of sense impressions, out of beliefs, theories, passion and concepts of the carnal thought processes of the alienated mind is the error we suffer in. This world exist in the mind the same way as God exists in the mind as a mental concept, it does not exist as God. Do you hear?

Your prayers will be answered, as you know God aright, for to know God aright is Life Eternal, not before. We must get to know what God IS, we must find out who are we in relation to Him? It is then that healing and provision begins to flow from the throne of Grace and Truth. You can however not know God with your mind, this is impossible, you must be born again first to hear and benefit from God Grace. You will never with your mind draw a picture of God, therefore you cannot communicate God through word, or thought. Communicating or communion in God is only possible through your own developed consciousness. Knowing that your Father and I are One brings healing and deliverance to the captives of sense. Do you hear this?

So what is God then?

Well, God cannot be prayed too, to heal or provide for us, o no! God must realized as our total sufficiency. It is then that “I” will reveal My—Self as I AM you and you are Me, we are One Body, One living Presence in which all fullness dwells. It is wonderful!

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